Teen Gothic

i really want to meet other goths but all these hangout spots i search for are either closed or 21+.
i hate being gen z, where so many cultures like goth and scene (ESPECIALLY SCENE) arent nearly as thriving because of tiktok imo, along with other reasons.
i remember a minor on pinterest saying "i wanna be goth sm but honestly i dont really like the music, can yall tell me how to be goth without liking the music plzz" i replied with
"if you dont like goth music, maybe you should find music you DO like. being goth isnt a fad, its not like changing your hair so you can sit with the other cool kids who put up their hair a certain way.. all subcultures are about being yourself. goth is who i truly am inside, if you dont feel the same, you sould search for something that makes you feel like your true self!
.. i just got called a "gatekeeper" and "invalid"

and,, i think that experience is everything wrong today. everyone is so obesessed with labels and trend chasing. they see a group of cool looking people and base their lives around it, even if its not their true selves. this is also why i feel goth to kids has been dumbed down to "white women wearing $ 100 fancy black dress and $ 86 shoes = goth, anything else is emo or punk" 🙁
and scene has it worse, because of the whole "scenecore" nonsense which- this subreddit probably isnt the place for me to rant about that..
but ya. why does it feel so hard on goth gen z? what are your thoughts about goth culture (and by extent emo and scene culture) in todays social media?

I was talking about this with a friend of mine a few days ago, and I think it's a great subject for a chat in the comments!!

mine was The Smiths (classic), when I was about 13yo, then I started to listen to the cure, and getting deeper in the culture, and now i listen to almost all different subgenres in the musics.

since then, I also started to study more about the architecture and literature, as well as politics, and when I was about 14 I felt secure enough to start applying aesthetic in my daily life!

I saw the 1988 movie, Night of the Demons when I was about 12. Angela danced to Stigmata Martyr in that now classic goth scene, and it was my first introduction to goth. But I'm having trouble thinking of many other scenes in films or shows that feature goth songs. What are your favorites, or any that you can think of?

I know I'm not the first person to share this sentiment and I know I will certainly be far from the last. What is funny is a lot of the goth sexualization and objectification comes from predominantly right wing circles, despite the Goth movement having left wing ties due to it being an offshoot of punk culture and a post punk subculture.

Not to mention the growing watered down idea of what a goth is. Dudes refer to people who, the closest thing related to goth they listened to, is something like Deftones or Lil peep. Not to diss on them but to say they are goth is factually incorrect.

Matter of fact, they'll probably call ANYONE who wears eyeliner and wears black goth. I've seen emos and metalheads get labeled as goth it's insane. It's clear that these people who want a "Dommy mommy goth" (I felt physical repulsion typing out that string of words) are not interested in the subculture or music whatsoever, and quite frequently, condemn it. If presented with a trad goth, steampunk goth, or something like that, will most likely be the first ones to point and laugh, or say some shit like "do a wrist reveal."

I mean there's nothing wrong with having preferences, but it becomes kind of fucking weird when you make it a personality trait.

I think a main factor of their fetishization or "justification" in their fetishization is the idea that all goths are sexually promiscuous and "freaky" who will take charge in an intimate setting and has a list of fetishes that matches the length of Santa's naughty list. I think it becomes really telling how goth porn subreddits have more members than actual goth subreddits

This little rant is getting a little lengthy, I only intended to write a few sentences and got really sidetracked, but yea. I wasn't really sure where to post this and figured it would be fitting to post this here. I frequent this sub often, although I don't think I ever posted here. I guess just lemme know what you guys think

Songs like Spiritual Cramp and maybe Deathwish sound pretty fried on guitar. I might be stupid, but I cannot find the pedal used in that era. Unlike modern pedals it sounds more raw and almost chainsaw-y at times.